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Sia Bani
dad's ML500 with two others in my car. Twice.

It was ridiculous...I couldn't believe the boxster was that slow...

Yes, the guy was trying, and having a great time at it too...laughing after he caught up the second time (as in he was enjoying himself)

By 60 mph I had one 1/2 car lengths..so lets say the best driver in the world was driving his manual (neither of us "launched", basically 2mph-60) he would have still fallen short.

I'm going to look up some numbers for the boxster now...kind of disappointed in it...

It just seems like a big waste of money to me now. :thumbsdow

SLP Addict
yea, the base boxsters are slow as shit. The boxster S isnt anything to sneeze at, but still IMO not worth the money.

CLK-GTR
the boxster s is a very nippy little car, but once again its not acceleration that theyre about.

NightRider
yea, the base boxsters are slow as shit. The boxster S isnt anything to sneeze at, but still IMO not worth the money.

star destroyer camaro

RedLine
star destroyer camaro

Good god. Would you please shut the fuck up about that car!? WTF is your problem with it? Im sure your 4 banger Thunder Bird is the greatest thing to ever happen to the automotive world.

scubie02
I wasn't actually sure what that meant...

Anyway, yeah, the base boxters aren't that fast. Not bad looking, but hard to justify the price.

Mr.Dave
Sia's a brown star destroyer.

RedLine
I wasn't actually sure what that meant...

Anyway, yeah, the base boxters aren't that fast. Not bad looking, but hard to justify the price.

Me? Or nightrider? :?:

1320@13.8
the Boxter looks stupid anyways. it's just not cool

scubie02
Me? Or nightrider? :?:

nightrider...

CLK-GTR
your missing the point. the boxster was designed as an entry level porsche,. and its done brilliantly. look at them, theyre everywhere. they are expensive, but you wont find another car that offers the same experience as owning a porsche.

scubie02
I guess. But my wrx would kill one easily, and if you just wanted an into ragtop that handled decently but wasn't really fast you might as well get a miata and save a ton of $. You probably don't get any respect from other porsche owners even in a boxter, sort of like the base mercedes. I mean, if someone were going to give me one I'd take it, and I'm sure its a nice car, but for the money you'd be hard pressed to get me to take a boxter vs all the other cars one could get for the same amount...

1320@13.8
it's like buying a v-6 camaro, or a v-6 mustang. you just try not to do it.
of course you still have the idiots that come up to you in their 3.8 and try to race you but they'll never have the actual power of a 5.0 or equivelant. I know i'm happy with my 94 cobra. i'm glad i looked around instead of buying a 6 cyl american. But i do now see v-6 maro's and stang's in magazines where people do alot of work to them and they actually do some pretty nice times at the old 1320

RedLine
nightrider...

Nightriders favorite passtime is to insult SLP and his Camaro becuase of the hood and the rear hatch. He has dubed it the "star distroyer camaro" :rolleyes:

TURBOZ
Sia's a brown star destroyer.


OOOOOOhhhhhhh!

SIa,
He said, hey bitch, come tongue punch my dirt star. hehehehe

CLK-GTR
I guess. But my wrx would kill one easily, and if you just wanted an into ragtop that handled decently but wasn't really fast you might as well get a miata and save a ton of $. You probably don't get any respect from other porsche owners even in a boxter, sort of like the base mercedes. I mean, if someone were going to give me one I'd take it, and I'm sure its a nice car, but for the money you'd be hard pressed to get me to take a boxter vs all the other cars one could get for the same amount...

the porsche experience isnt about speed though. the quality of the car far surpasses any mustang, camaro, miata etc. and its not just the quality and the feel of the car. a perfect example of this is a guy i know of who went to the garage about his GT2 CS and possible gearbox troubles, and they told him "No car is indestructable, everything breaks, all Porsche are saying is if it breaks, we'll fix it". You are looked after like nothing else. Its the same for Ferrari, Porsche, big Mercs etc. you are joining an exclusive club where the performance or the luggace capacity etc. arent the only thing that matter.

911GT2
Anyone quoting a Boxster solely on straightline acceleration have absolutely no clue what a Boxster is really about.

Granted, it should (and probably will soon) have a little more power for the money.

Mr.Dave
OOOOOOhhhhhhh!

SIa,
He said, hey bitch, come tongue punch my dirt star. hehehehe



Yes, yes... I always have wondered what it felt like to have my ass licked by a woman.

Sia Bani
Anyone quoting a Boxster solely on straightline acceleration have absolutely no clue what a Boxster is really about.

Granted, it should (and probably will soon) have a little more power for the money.

Anyone this, anyone that...seriously, you need to learn to shut the fuck up. You haven't even driven many of the cars you whole-heartedly defend and you come off as if you own them. Numbers on paper and internet video clips (at best) don't justify you to make arrogant statements about others not understanding the "what a Boxster is really about." You honestly don't have any experience with these cars, and yet..you continue to post loads of crap!

The Boxster is a disappointing car. Like scubie said...miata for the handling. The boxster is now only good for showing off (porsche name brand). In its time, at least it was a nice luxury ride, but now, every roadster outclasses it in most respects.

Dreamn
the boxster guy was laughing cause he was thinking of you trying to race him on some curvy mountain roads. Straight line even an Accord V6 can stay with a Boxster, its a heavy motherfucker, a 3000lb convertible with less than 200hp when it came out. But its chassis is amazing, you can tiptoe through an autox course as fast as a Vette Z06. It simply grips and turns great.

Sia Bani
the boxster guy was laughing cause he was thinking of you trying to race him on some curvy mountain roads. Straight line even an Accord V6 can stay with a Boxster, its a heavy motherfucker, a 3000lb convertible with less than 200hp when it came out. But its chassis is amazing, you can tiptoe through an autox course as fast as a Vette Z06. It simply grips and turns great.

Nah, he was laughing because he was in shock and really couldn't do anything else but laugh. Same for me and my friends. We were all in awe.

I don't know, maybe he was laughing at his shifting skills, that's a possibility...

In any case, chassis, curve road, weight, any other bullshit that you or anyone can muster up with the 45k that car is worth...it should have been able to take a damn 4000lb suv.

That is the point..don't give me crap about handling in the twisties... that's a different argument. :chair:

Dreamn
Nah, he was laughing because he was having a great time. He was the type that drove fast but would never race...his shifting sucked too.

In any case, chassis, curve road, weight, any other bullshit that you or anyone can muster up with the 45k that car is worth...it should have been able to take a damn 4000lb suv.

That is the point..don't give me crap about handling in the twisties... that's a different argument. :chair:

Why buy a 32K :rb: car than does 0-60 in 6.7 and quarters in 14.5 when a 25K car can go faster and a BMW X5 can beat it to 60.

You weren't exactly driving an Explorer. The boxster is fast enough linearly for me, :sarah:

Sia Bani
Why buy a 32K :rb: car than does 0-60 in 6.7 and quarters in 14.5 when a 25K car can go faster and a BMW X5 can beat it to 60.

You weren't exactly driving an Explorer. The boxster is fast enough linearly for me, :sarah:

Because you enjoy the look, or like the fact that its a :rb: or simply for the name of the 32k car. That is why the guy bought a boxster rather than a s2000 lets say... he wanted a porsche so his bald head wouldn't look as bald to the blonde chick he was trying to pickup.

In any case, there should have been more beef in the boxster for 45k. You of all people should understand this, since you own a miata and all.

RedLine
Because you enjoy the look, or like the fact that its a :rb: or simply for the name of the 32k car. That is why the guy bought a boxster rather than a s2000 lets say... he wanted a porsche so his bald head wouldn't look as bald to the blonde chick he was trying to pickup.

In any case, there should have been more beef in the boxster for 45k. You of all people should understand this, since you own a miata and all.

Here's my question. How the hell do companys charge 45k for a car? Any car? I know that there isnt 45k worth of metal in it. I really dont think that it cost 45k per unit to develope the car. WTF? And if you are going to pay 45k, there must be something faster, who cares if its a Porshe?

Sia Bani
Here's my question. How the hell do companys charge 45k for a car? Any car? I know that there isnt 45k worth of metal in it. I really dont think that it cost 45k per unit to develope the car. WTF? And if you are going to pay 45k, there must be something faster, who cares if its a Porshe?


That's another topic entirely, I suggest not getting into that in this thread...but I find it truly amazing what more expensive cars offer in an all around package.

The simplest feature for example....just listen to the way the door of a german built car shuts compared to an Chevy Tahoe for example.

There are a lot of minor details, but as a whole I agree. They make a lot of $$$!

RedLine
That's another topic entirely, I suggest not getting into that in this thread...but I find it truly amazing what more expensive cars offer in an all around package.

The simplest feature for example....just listen to the way the door of a german built car shuts compared to an Chevy Tahoe for example.

There are a lot of minor details, but as a whole I agree. They make a lot of $$$!

I dont think I care much how the door closes. Knowing that a Honda engine has been known to last over 300k miles, and they cost much less than the s500 you just paid 100k for, I still dont get owning a Porshe just because its a Porshe.

Dreamn
Here's my question. How the hell do companys charge 45k for a car? Any car? I know that there isnt 45k worth of metal in it. I really dont think that it cost 45k per unit to develope the car. WTF? And if you are going to pay 45k, there must be something faster, who cares if its a Porshe?

$45K, someone's gotta pay the people who put it together and the less cars they make a year, the more they have to make per car.

And why do you buy a Subaru over a Camaro, surely you're not going to claim the WRX can waste a WS6 in the 1/4?

Dreamn
I dont think I care much how the door closes. Knowing that a Honda engine has been known to last over 300k miles, and they cost much less than the s500 you just paid 100k for, I still dont get owning a Porshe just because its a Porshe.
you're buying your way into a club, geeks who were excluded when they were in school wopuld like to think that buying a Porsche puts them in a special club others can't join, :D

But seriously, if I was buying a Porsche, I'd either
A. wait till I could pick up a used Boxter for under 10K
or
B. buy a used Carrera for 20-25K.

That's the value I've set on Porsches, others would pay more.

CLK-GTR
I dont think I care much how the door closes. Knowing that a Honda engine has been known to last over 300k miles, and they cost much less than the s500 you just paid 100k for, I still dont get owning a Porshe just because its a Porshe.

you probably wouldnt until youd spent sometime and talked for a while to at least a couple of porsche owners, then youd understand its alot more than the performance of the car.

mustangdriver
As the only former Porsche owner....haha sorry just kidding....seriously though there is something really damn cool about owning one! When you start off with "I drove the Porsche today" people stop and stare at you. Of course I was normally saying "I took the Porsche into the shop today".

I like the Boxster but I really think for the price of a base Boxster you should at least get something that performs as well as the Boxster S. I like the way they look and I drove a base model and it handles like a dream.

911GT2
Anyone this, anyone that...seriously, you need to learn to shut the fuck up. You haven't even driven many of the cars you whole-heartedly defend and you come off as if you own them. Numbers on paper and internet video clips (at best) don't justify you to make arrogant statements about others not understanding the "what a Boxster is really about." You honestly don't have any experience with these cars, and yet..you continue to post loads of crap!

The Boxster is a disappointing car. Like scubie said...miata for the handling. The boxster is now only good for showing off (porsche name brand). In its time, at least it was a nice luxury ride, but now, every roadster outclasses it in most respects.

I don't claim to own or drive any of these cars. But I've read a great deal on them. The only Porsche I've ever driven is a 944. And I'll be damned if there isn't *something* about it. Can't put my finger on it, but it's there. Everything just....fits.

They're not straightline dragsters or even a Miata-style spartan corner carver. They're the full package. Luxury, ride, performance. There's a reason they sell alot of these damn things, and it's not all small penis syndrome.

911GT2
And Sia - if you really wanna talk about a colossal waste of money, how about a 50 grand Mercedes minivan?

scubie02
There's a reason they sell alot of these damn things, and it's not all small penis syndrome.

No, but lets face it alot of it is. They are nice enough cars, but not really nice enough to justify the price except for the name markup and wanting to be "part of the club". I personally don't think they are all THAT luxurious/great as far as an interior. They are nice looking. They perform ok, but not really to the price point--there are ALOT of cars, and way cheaper cars, that'll tear them apart. Of course most cars have their strengths and weaknesses. As a rule, Japanese cars can have the performance and reliability, but just don't seem to have the design class or that solid door closing noise sia is talking about, and there is something to that. Even a newer VW has that to some degree, and its even more pronounced in the higher end european cars. Just a solid sort of feel to them that seems to say quality. Of course the downfall of the european cars tend to be that they aren't all that reliable, and are expensive to maintain. Anybody I have known w/ a Porsche has spent as much time with it in the shop as they do driving it--some of them considerably more. Is is the "tight tolerances" and high strung sporting nature of the vehicles? Well, perhaps, but the japanese seem to be able to make cars that have tight tolerances and perform pretty well and yet aren't in the shop every week.

If I had wads of money would I own a porsche? Probably. (Partially because I could just drive one of my other vehicles when it was in the shop...). But if I'm buying one car in that price range, I'm buying something else, because for the money there are superior cars. As PD said, for the price the boxster should have at least the performance of the boxster S. No, its not all about straighline, but by God if your name is Porsche and your raison d'etre is performance, you better not be having your ass handed to you by any number of pedestrian vehicles every day...

CLK-GTR
No, but lets face it alot of it is. They are nice enough cars, but not really nice enough to justify the price except for the name markup and wanting to be "part of the club". I personally don't think they are all THAT luxurious/great as far as an interior. They are nice looking. They perform ok, but not really to the price point--there are ALOT of cars, and way cheaper cars, that'll tear them apart. Of course most cars have their strengths and weaknesses. As a rule, Japanese cars can have the performance and reliability, but just don't seem to have the design class or that solid door closing noise sia is talking about, and there is something to that. Even a newer VW has that to some degree, and its even more pronounced in the higher end european cars. Just a solid sort of feel to them that seems to say quality. Of course the downfall of the european cars tend to be that they aren't all that reliable, and are expensive to maintain. Anybody I have known w/ a Porsche has spent as much time with it in the shop as they do driving it--some of them considerably more. Is is the "tight tolerances" and high strung sporting nature of the vehicles? Well, perhaps, but the japanese seem to be able to make cars that have tight tolerances and perform pretty well and yet aren't in the shop every week.

If I had wads of money would I own a porsche? Probably. (Partially because I could just drive one of my other vehicles when it was in the shop...). But if I'm buying one car in that price range, I'm buying something else, because for the money there are superior cars. As PD said, for the price the boxster should have at least the performance of the boxster S. No, its not all about straighline, but by God if your name is Porsche and your raison d'etre is performance, you better not be having your ass handed to you by any number of pedestrian vehicles every day...

With the Boxster this is true to some extent, but with 993's and 996's the things are hewn out of stone. And the thing with Porsche is that if anything does break, they will fix it under warranty, and not try every way possible to get out of it. Lets face it Porsche arent just about performance anymore, but the experience is something that very few car makers can touch.

About German cars being unreliable, this isnt at all true? The 7-series amongst others had some teething troubles, but thats nothing compared to the American cars, and the only Japanese cars worth owning all have their troubles. I may love the Skyline but i will admit there are plenty of little niggles with it, as there is with Evo's, NSX's and the rest. The only cars that come close to German in terms of quality is French, Peugeots and Citroens and Renaults seem unbreakable at the minute. The 307 had some electrical problems but that all.

Sia Bani
And Sia - if you really wanna talk about a colossal waste of money, how about a 50 grand Mercedes minivan?

45k actually. Although I think the ML500 is ugly, I'd actually prefer it to your beloved boxster now. The ML 500 is a bargain compared to other luxury SUVs, based on motor, based on its snow capabilities, its acceleration in a straightline, and even its handling in the corners. With the combination of its 4WD and ESP, the damn thing never feels unsafe, and I know how to test SUVs for roll, etc, solely based on previous SUV experience.

My parents use it pretty much as their daily commuter, they use it for carrying our dog around, my mom buys a lot of plants and things for the garden with it, and I go snowboarding/driving in the snow with it. And obviously, they wanted luxury. What else? They have a good salesmen they've been going to for years for MBs, and that itself is worth 5k easily to them.

They would have bought the FX but our dog just wouldn't fit. The only other vehicle I could see being equivalent for its money is an Audi Allroad. My Dad just doesn"t like wagons though.

In any case, now we know how much its worth its money in that it's more than adequately quick. So with all these reasons given, you can now shut up in peace.

911GT2
So you'd prefer an SUV over a sportscar?

That sucks man....

Sia Bani
So you'd prefer an SUV over a sportscar?

That sucks man....

SUV over sports car? No. Ml500 over the boxster for its utility and better all around function and performance.

Can you comprehend this?

FabUlous
to each his own, can we all agree to disagree?

NightRider
Nightriders favorite passtime is to insult SLP and his Camaro becuase of the hood and the rear hatch. He has dubed it the "star distroyer camaro" :rolleyes:

look, the fact is, i dont really have anything better to do with my time than bother stupid internet people i dont even know. I spent my new years playing a massivly multiplayer online rpg.

and i thought i stated before that my car was slow, and does not understand the word "handle".

and i make fun of slp beucase i -can- and i think its funny. i'm sure he's a nice enough guy, even if his car tastes do not directly coincide with mine (note: that is perfectly ok, but its not a big deal if i rag on him).

jeez

NightRider
I wasn't actually sure what that meant...

Anyway, yeah, the base boxters aren't that fast. Not bad looking, but hard to justify the price.

what i meant was that mabe the boxter wasnt really intended for speed, mabe it was intended to tag along on the porsche nametag, and not really be that fast. becuase for all intents and purposes, the vast majority of drivers would -rather- have a slower easier to drive porsche than a fast one that is easy to lose control of and crash.

for most of the world porsche says money, and as long as your car says money nothing else about the car matters a lick.

911GT2
SUV over sports car? No. Ml500 over the boxster for its utility and better all around function and performance.

Can you comprehend this?

You're taking the two out of context. A Boxster can never be a standalone functional car.

Amir M. Fathi
You're taking the two out of context. A Boxster can never be a standalone functional car.


This is Sia, ignore the name.


yes of course. You said "you'd take an SUV over a sportscar...that sucks man." Your initial question was out of context. :chair:

911GT2
This is Sia, ignore the name.


yes of course. You said "you'd take an SUV over a sportscar...that sucks man." Your initial question was out of context. :chair:

If you really wanna dig deep the whole topic is ridiculous.

And how many fucking names do you have??

Sia Bani
If you really wanna dig deep the whole topic is ridiculous.

And how many fucking names do you have??

The whole topic is not ridiculous. The porsche boxster is an underpowered waste of money. Obviously, this is my opinion, and you were free to disagree. But you had to go on and try to insult me and my view, and you were made to look like a little dumbass in the process. So, taking my initial advice, you should shut up now.

I'm at a relative's house, that is why you saw Amir Fathi's name.

911GT2
The whole topic is not ridiculous. The porsche boxster is an underpowered waste of money. Obviously, this is my opinion, and you were free to disagree. But you had to go on and try to insult me and my view, and you were made to look like a little dumbass in the process. So, taking my initial advice, you should shut up now.

I'm at a relative's house, that is why you saw Amir Fathi's name.

Go ahead, pat yourself on the back you paranoid freak.

FabUlous
both of you chill out, goddamn

YES the porsche is underpowered BUT the whole point of owning a porsche is the fact youre driving a porsche

now both of you, no need for name calling! :banghead: :bat: :chair:

911GT2
YES the porsche is underpowered BUT the whole point of owning a porsche is the fact youre driving a porsche

See, while that's true for the most part, it's not entirely true at all. I want a Porsche because it's the best car in the world that connects driver to road. Simply put.

CLK-GTR
See, while that's true for the most part, it's not entirely true at all. I want a Porsche because it's the best car in the world that connects driver to road. Simply put.

and from reviews, from talking to and knowing porsche owners and drivers from boxster to GT3 racecars, thats pretty much true.

Sia Bani
and from reviews, from talking to and knowing porsche owners and drivers from boxster to GT3 racecars, thats pretty much true.

In any case, that is not the damn point. The ML 500 will fucking destroy the boxster in the snow, or over a damn rock. Is that the point?

No.

CLK-GTR
In any case, that is not the damn point. The ML 500 will fucking destroy the boxster in the snow, or over a damn rock. Is that the point?

No.

What is the point?

What is real, define real? :fro:

Sia Bani
What is the point?

What is real, define real? :fro:


If you or anyone else failed to comprehend my point, reread the first post and leave your baises aside.

CLK-GTR
If you or anyone else failed to comprehend my point, reread the first post and leave your baises aside.

which would mean a $50,000 V8 SUV beat a $40,000 (im assuming in the US) flat 6 sportscar in a straightline? which isnt much of a point at all to get so worked up about.

Sia Bani
which would mean a $50,000 V8 SUV beat a $40,000 (im assuming in the US) flat 6 sportscar in a straightline? which isnt much of a point at all to get so worked up about.

Since when do boxster's msrp for less than 43k? And since when do ML500s msrp for over 45.6?

It's more than likely that the boxster costs more around 50 with the few options any boxster owner would want such as LEATHER, etc...so don't bring cost into the issue. The boxster will easily cost 50, and the ML500 was base at 45,6, with a few k off...Cost is not the issue regardless.

I do not get worked up unless people deserve me too. When you get 911gt2 lecture me on "the porsche experience" when he has little to none other than reading about them online, I get annoyed.

If you say "which would mean a $50,000 V8 SUV beat a $40,000 (im assuming in the US) flat 6 sportscar in a straightline" isn't much of a point, that's your subjective view. It's my point and I made it, so people understand what an overpriced atrocity the boxster really is. If the S were the same price, then this thread would not have existed.

If you care to make a thread about SUVs not handling well since they're obviously raised, go ahead and make another thread. There is no point telling me that the boxster would ruin the suv through twisties. This idea is so simple that a 10 year old should be able to see it. So, points about the boxster handling well against an suv are fucking ridiculous. Don't argue just to argue people.


I still find it absolutely hilarious that something labeled "PORSCHE" in our day and age can be beaten by a 288 hp 4000+ lb brick. (just in case you missed my point again, feel free to reread these last couple of lines a few more times)

FabUlous
sia, what you are talking about is cost vs performance......which is why you see the boxster as a money sucking slow ass hole of despair, and thats cool because i do get your point

meanwhile, 911 is making a valid point as well about the intangible feelings about being able to own a porsche and that it is the best car to connect driver to road (i think thats what he said).......again valid point


you BOTH crossed the line when you started yelling and acting like immature bitches, jesus....both of you cool it and read your posts and you will see how whiny and petulant you both sound








anyway 911, i think BMW is the best at the driving experience :naughty:

CLK-GTR
Since when do boxster's msrp for less than 43k? And since when do ML500s msrp for over 45.6?


I do not get worked up unless people deserve me too. When you get 911gt2 lecture me on "the porsche experience" when he has little to none other than reading about them online, I get annoyed.



Since from when i dont know the exact currency conversion so take an educated guess.

And if that is your view of 911GT2's experience, mine would be of knowing people who own the following to the best of my memory. 944 Turbo, 928, Boxster, Boxster S, 993 RS, 993 Turbo, 996 Targa, 996 GT3, 996 GT2 Clubsport, RUF R Turbo, one who has driven a 996 GT3RSR, and perhaps soon to own one as the 24hour car based on that experience. That more than qualifies me to say he is right in what he says.

CLK-GTR
anyway 911, i think BMW is the best at the driving experience :naughty:

much as i hate to admit it, based on the car i have right now i might be inclined to agree :fro:

FabUlous
:cheers: a BMW is a car i want, damn me and my lack of money!!!! :banghead:

Sia Bani
Since from when i dont know the exact currency conversion so take an educated guess.

And if that is your view of 911GT2's experience, mine would be of knowing people who own the following to the best of my memory. 944 Turbo, 928, Boxster, Boxster S, 993 RS, 993 Turbo, 996 Targa, 996 GT3, 996 GT2 Clubsport, RUF R Turbo, one who has driven a 996 GT3RSR, and perhaps soon to own one as the 24hour car based on that experience. That more than qualifies me to say he is right in what he says.

I get to drive a 996 Turbo at least once a month, and I've clocked over 600 miles in one. I know what it feels like to drive a porsche, a supercar, something that is all about driving experience.

So don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Driving experience is not the issue.

CLK-GTR
I get to drive a 996 Turbo at least once a month, and I've clocked over 600 miles in one. I know what it feels like to drive a porsche, a supercar, something that is all about driving experience.

So don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Driving experience is not the issue.

When did i say you didnt know what you were talking about? I was merely stating 911GT2 was right about the experience when you said he hadnt enough experience of Porsche to form a valid opinion.

mustangdriver
Sounds like he has pretty decent Porsche experience :fro:

FabUlous
I get to drive a 996 Turbo at least once a month, and I've clocked over 600 miles in one. I know what it feels like to drive a porsche, a supercar, something that is all about driving experience.

So don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Driving experience is not the issue.

you have driven a 996 yes, but have you driven a Boxster?

Dreamn
talk about a bitching constest. :ghey:

Sia Bani
you have driven a 996 yes, but have you driven a Boxster?
yes twice. But it wasn't enough to get the greatest feel for it. I never denied the fact that it gives you a great feel for the road, and succeeds making you feel like you're invincible handling wise...but that's not the point, once again.

scubie02
And if that is your view of 911GT2's experience, mine would be of knowing people who own the following to the best of my memory. 944 Turbo, 928, Boxster, Boxster S, 993 RS, 993 Turbo, 996 Targa, 996 GT3, 996 GT2 Clubsport, RUF R Turbo, one who has driven a 996 GT3RSR, and perhaps soon to own one as the 24hour car based on that experience. That more than qualifies me to say he is right in what he says.

Wellllll, not to play devil's advocate here, but I know a guy who performs lots of different kinds of surgery. I've heard him talk about it. Get where this is going... :p

Another analogy...I know a guy who boinked anna kournikova (this is hypothetical--please don't sue me anna...), he says it was the best sex ever. The topic of sex comes up and I say anna kournikova is the best sex ever. Now reasonably I can look at her and think, looks good, its quite possible. But I don't really KNOW that until I try her out for myself.. Then, too, anna might be the best at @#$%^&* that I've ever come across, but Jessica Alba might be way better at @#$%^, and thats what really wows me...some things are subjective...

Can't we all just get along!?! :p

CLK-GTR
Wellllll, not to play devil's advocate here, but I know a guy who performs lots of different kinds of surgery. I've heard him talk about it. Get where this is going... :p

Another analogy...I know a guy who boinked anna kournikova (this is hypothetical--please don't sue me anna...), he says it was the best sex ever. The topic of sex comes up and I say anna kournikova is the best sex ever. Now reasonably I can look at her and think, looks good, its quite possible. But I don't really KNOW that until I try her out for myself.. Then, too, anna might be the best at @#$%^&* that I've ever come across, but Jessica Alba might be way better at @#$%^, and thats what really wows me...some things are subjective...

Can't we all just get along!?! :p

i understand that but for most of us here (and especially at my age) that is as close as were are going to get to those cars, and talking to owners can be a very good way of building an opinion of a car.

I am not angry with anyone in this thread, im just providing my experiences to give an alternative view.