View Thread: Proper use of the E-Brake


Bullet
This will be a useful thread for people who don't know how to do 180's and 360's using the E-Brake. (pointers for amatuers)
I don't exactly know and I guess its a little different for different cars but 180's are simply cranking the wheel and pulling the E-brake guessing your going a good speed for it, after your car is about 120 degrees in rotation rev the engine and let out the E-brake. This should help you to pull out of it without stopping in the middle of the street like alot of LOSERS do.

360's I beleive are basically the 180's twice, but with a catch, after u have spun about 160 170 degrees crank ur wheel in the other direction so the front end pulls around. to make it faster and more fun rev the engine and let out the E-Brake after 180 degrees. MAKE DAMN SURE YOUR CAR IS IN REVERSE!!!
(lol that would have been funny if I left that out)

Thats what i basically think is to them but keep in mind that I have never done this in a real car!
!Always Remember To Practise This Were Safe! !Dont Be Stupid!

Everybody with more to add please add it.

RedLine
Or you could simple own a RWD car, stab your foot to the floor, and do a 360 or a 180 :devil:

Sia Bani
I don't think any of us are going to go practice this on a dry road, let alone wet. We need ice!

Sia Bani
and it's not cuz we're chicken...we like our cars too much!

The 18th Letter
It looks cool and all, but what's the point of doing 180 and 360? :?:

Bullet
sorry but u guys gotta read
i live in canada and its about -15 out right now
and i ment on front wheel drive car
sorry for living in canada were driving conditions are completely different!

Bullet
OH YA
THEY ARE FUN AS HELL + go do it in sum gravel!

Sia Bani
Go do it in some gravel? :rolleyes:


Care to explain? :slap: :fro:

Bullet
And E-Braking into parking spots is always fun too!

Bullet
When you pull the E-Brake it locks up all 4 wheels, does it not?
on gravel you can spin the tires like nothing, no?
when you lock up your tires you are going to skid and that is also fun.
a couple years ago I was driving with my sister boyfriend in his CRX, he pulled the E-Brake on gravel and could easily do 720's!

Sia Bani
When you pull the E-Brake it locks up all 4 wheels, does it not?
on gravel you can spin the tires like nothing, no?
when you lock up your tires you are going to skid and that is also fun.
a couple years ago I was driving with my sister boyfriend in his CRX, he pulled the E-Brake on gravel and could easily do 720's!

It locks up your rears...not all 4.

Gravel ruins paint, I do not recommend fucking around on gravel!

Wouldn't you agree that if you appreciate your car, you shouldn't abuse it the way you're describing?

eric
When you pull the E-Brake it locks up all 4 wheels, does it not?
on gravel you can spin the tires like nothing, no?
when you lock up your tires you are going to skid and that is also fun.
a couple years ago I was driving with my sister boyfriend in his CRX, he pulled the E-Brake on gravel and could easily do 720's!

The e brake only locks the rear wheels.

Sia Bani
beat you punk. :fro: :garrett:

eric
beat you punk. :fro: :garrett:
:banghead:

Bullet
alrite ya you guys beat me but c'mon im 15... any car i buy im not going to appreciate because it wont be worth much more than $500
it is also different cause when you were all my age you had huge rear whell drive cars, this is kindof the wave of the future.

Sia Bani
alrite ya you guys beat me but c'mon im 15... any car i buy im not going to appreciate because it wont be worth much more than $500
it is also different cause when you were all my age you had huge rear whell drive cars, this is kindof the wave of the future.

Hey, we weren't trying to beat you...just trying to knock some sense into you (like this) :slap: , but seriously though...you'll have the time of your life in the ice or snow!

Don't do it on gravel...hell, even if you don't like your ride's paint, a chunk of rock may come up and hit you in the face. That wouldn't be good...

Oh and take some pics when you do!

eric
alrite ya you guys beat me but c'mon im 15... any car i buy im not going to appreciate because it wont be worth much more than $500
it is also different cause when you were all my age you had huge rear whell drive cars, this is kindof the wave of the future.

I'm 20. When I was your age I didn't have a car. The car I drove untill I got a car was my mom's FWD 1.9L 88 hp Ford Escort station wagon

Bullet
parents cars kinda suck!
Ive been waiting for my license and a car for my entire life!
I never played any sports cause I was to busy going to cruise night and show and shines!
Im less than 5 months away :D

eric
parents cars kinda suck!
Ive been waiting for my license and a car for my entire life!
I never played any sports cause I was to busy going to cruise night and show and shines!
Im less than 5 months away :D

I remember going nuts waiting to get my liscence. I think I started a countdown 100 days before hand.

Bullet
Ya but you guys got way off topic!
Am I right with the 180's and 360's or what?

RedLine
I've done them before on a frozen lake, but if you arent quick with your feet, you can end up going backwords in 1st. As for cars with huge engines, and rwd, most trucks can pull doughnuts in stock form. You dont need a lot of power to do them, just cant have a lot of weight over the drive wheels.

Sia Bani
I've done them before on a frozen lake, but if you arent quick with your feet, you can end up going backwords in 1st. As for cars with huge engines, and rwd, most trucks can pull doughnuts in stock form. You dont need a lot of power to do them, just cant have a lot of weight over the drive wheels.

or more power than traction, like on my ole hoe...

eric
Ya but you guys got way off topic!
Am I right with the 180's and 360's or what?

It depends alot on the car. Some cars will go sideways alot easier than others. It has alot to do with the weight distribution. A car that has more weight over the back wheels will be harder to get sideways, but easier to control while sideways. There's also a big difference between RWD and FWD. RWD, you can induce power oversteer and just light up the tires till you're looking in the wrong direciton, where as with FWD you've gotta depend on the e-brake for most of it.

Bullet
good point by redline but does this mean I typically know what Im talking about?
I mean the steering methods and reving methods??
especially with the 360's cuz they're harder than 180's,
and I would like someone to explain reverse 180's and 360's.
Im open to be learnthed

Sia Bani
where as with FWD you've gotta depend on the e-brake for most of it.

For most yes...usually they're big heavy American cars with FWD..etc.

On my grandparents Camry though...so easy to let out the back on any turn. Just like if it were on wet streets while driving a RWD..

it all depends on the car bullet.

Bullet
or say if its hatchback or has a trunk, or if its a station wagon, alot will depend on areodynamics.
oh and what kindof shape the car is in too
but lets not get into that stuff i really am just lookin for "HOW"

Run Away
and I would like someone to explain reverse 180's and 360's.

I have my learners only, so no fun yet for me. Feb 15th is the day.....
My buddy does, and we were experimenting in his Neon (stick-shift). To do a reverse 180, put it in reverse, hit the gas, turn the wheel then put it in 1st and brake. If you get the timming right, all will line up.

Sia Bani
or say if its hatchback or has a trunk, or if its a station wagon, alot will depend on areodynamics.
oh and what kindof shape the car is in too
but lets not get into that stuff i really am just lookin for "HOW"

Nah...aerodynamics would be involved on a significant level..The weight of the car, it's traction, will all influence what happens exponentially greater than any form of air drag..etc.

How is fine. Drive, yank brake and turn. Practice makes perfect..so practice on ice/snow first. I've never done it, don't plan on doing it in a car of my own either..:D

RedLine
I dont think that the body style has much to do with anything involved in spinning. :rolleyes: So what is it exactly that you want to figure out.

Run Away
or say if its hatchback or has a trunk, or if its a station wagon, alot will depend on areodynamics.
oh and what kindof shape the car is in too
but lets not get into that stuff i really am just lookin for "HOW"
Unless you're travelling at around triple digit speeds, aerodynamics will play a very small role in how it does 180s and 360s. I don't recomend doing e-brake 180s and 360s at high speeds....

Sia Bani
I dont think that the body style has much to do with anything involved in spinning. :rolleyes: So what is it exactly that you want to figure out.

he's 15, he just doesn't know yet...

Run Away
It's all about the timming.....

Bullet
"how" is what!
this is sposed to be a thread of general education.
thank you for clearing it up run away

RedLine
Now here's something I just thought of. When you stand on the pedel in a RWD and light em up, you get even wear around the whole contact patch. When you lock up tires, wouldnt you get flat spots?

Bullet
ON A STATION WAGON TYPE CAR THERE IS SO MUCH DRAG THAT IT IS ALMOST IMPOSIBLE TO SWING OUT THE BACK END!
look at the wagon impreza's, they got it in the straught lines but got nothing otherwise.

Sia Bani
hehe...in that case..

Proper Use of E-brake--

When parked. If on an incline, first pull ebrake, let go of the break pedal, then shift in gear or park. This way, the weight of the car rests on the brakes and not a gear.

Run Away
Now here's something I just thought of. When you stand on the pedel in a RWD and light em up, you get even wear around the whole contact patch. When you lock up tires, wouldnt you get flat spots?
If you don't have ABS, and you lock them up for long enough, yes.

Bullet
Yes u would but it isnt too to bad and on ice there is little to No wear watsoever.

Run Away
ON A STATION WAGON TYPE CAR THERE IS SO MUCH DRAG THAT IT IS ALMOST IMPOSIBLE TO SWING OUT THE BACK END!
look at the wagon impreza's, they got it in the straught lines but got nothing otherwise.
:rolleyes:
You think they can't handle?

Sia Bani
ON A STATION WAGON TYPE CAR THERE IS SO MUCH DRAG THAT IT IS ALMOST IMPOSIBLE TO SWING OUT THE BACK END!
look at the wagon impreza's, they got it in the straught lines but got nothing otherwise.

Kid, don't shout. We're all being nice and we're not going to say "don't preach what you don't know/understand.'

What you're saying is incorrect. Have you ever seen limos in movies with the rear thrown out? It's possible...

RedLine
Thank you! Whenever my G/F drives my GP she never uses the Parking break. She leaves it in park. And my driveway is on a slope!

Bullet
LOL thank u for clearing up Proper use of the E-Brake LOL

Run Away
"how" is what!
this is sposed to be a thread of general education.
thank you for clearing it up run away
No prob. :cheers:

Sia Bani
Thank you! Whenever my G/F drives my GP she never uses the Parking break. She leaves it in park. And my driveway is on a slope!

oh ya forgot to mention, the parking brake is used to reset the alignment of your rear brakes on a lot of vehicles as well. So it's definitely needed.

Bullet
like in WAYNES WORLD, mr bigs limo
he was spinning the rear tires
this is not about spinning your tires, i think we can all agree that that is easy to do!

RedLine
Ok, where did you get the idea that wagons have a lot of drag? Maybe a little more than a regular sedan, but they are wind tunnel tested before they begin production so that they get milage.

Sia Bani
like in WAYNES WORLD, mr bigs limo
he was spinning the rear tires
this is not about spinning your tires, i think we can all agree that that is easy to do!

Jesus Christ. My mistake for bringing up "movies".

What makes you think I'm thinking of the same movie as you, namely Waynes world?

This has nothing to do with spinning your tires.

You're only 15, you haven't taken elementary physics yet, so you will not be able to comprehend what I'm about to tell you:

It's all about momentum, and its redirection.


In any case, I've got to go out now...tty guys later. :cheers:

Run Away
Thank you! Whenever my G/F drives my GP she never uses the Parking break. She leaves it in park. And my driveway is on a slope!
How steep of a slope?

RedLine
like in WAYNES WORLD, mr bigs limo
he was spinning the rear tires
this is not about spinning your tires, i think we can all agree that that is easy to do!

I know you can pitch the ass end of any car out without the e brake. My question is why? Unless you have a lot of momentum (sp), you wont flick it very far. If you do, you'll flatspot your tires and possible tear apart your trans!

Sia Bani
If you do, you'll flatspot your tires and possible tear apart your trans!


You will need to explain this view of yours when I get back...should be interesting :D

Bullet
I do know about Momentum and Force
and fuck this site is so unorganized and everybody jumps to a conclusion!
even I jumped to conclusions! :curse:

Run Away
I know you can pitch the ass end of any car out without the e brake. My question is why? Unless you have a lot of momentum (sp), you wont flick it very far. If you do, you'll flatspot your tires and possible tear apart your trans!
Why? Because it's fun and it looks cool. You won't flatspot your tires unless you use the e-brake.

RedLine
You will need to explain this view of yours when I get back...should be interesting :D

Well, lets see. If you're 15, your probably driving your parents car. Most likely a slushbox. And since you dont really know WTF you're doing, you'll most likely start off in drive, slap on the e-brake, and end up going backwords. Now, your back tires are skiding, and your trans in still in drive, while you are in reverse. This is provided that you have enough balls to get up enough momentum to get the ass end around.

Run Away
I do know about Momentum and Force
and fuck this site is so unorganized and everybody jumps to a conclusion!
even I jumped to conclusions! :curse:
You're confusing me, maybe that's why there's a mis-understanding...

Bullet
I just gotta say FUCK this site and everybody who is on it!
Im out peace!

RedLine
Why? Because it's fun and it looks cool. You won't flatspot your tires unless you use the e-brake.

But you have to use the e-brake, since this is obviously exactly what its supposed to be used for and is the only way to flick the back end of as FWD out. . :p

Sia Bani
Well, lets see. If you're 15, your probably driving your parents car. Most likely a slushbox. And since you dont really know WTF you're doing, you'll most likely start off in drive, slap on the e-brake, and end up going backwords. Now, your back tires are skiding, and your trans in still in drive, while you are in reverse. This is provided that you have enough balls to get up enough momentum to get the ass end around.

Just like you said, it would take a lot of momentum to let loose the rear of a car without ebrake...so what you're saying is not possible on regular roads, and nobody's stupid or capable enough (either or) to do it on a regular, dry street where your transmission problem could come into effect!

RedLine
I just gotta say FUCK this site and everybody who is on it!
Im out peace!

Somehow, I saw that coming. :rolleyes:

RedLine
Just like you said, it would take a lot of momentum to let loose the rear of a car without ebrake...so what you're saying is not possible on regular roads, and nobody's stupid or capable enough (either or) to do it on a regular, dry street where your transmission problem could come into effect!

Yea, thats about it. If you had enough power, you could really stand on it, over power the front tires, then the trans would be fine. I think.....

Sia Bani
Although the kid was an idiot, you guys...we have to be understanding that he's only 15 and loses track of what he's saying before he even finishes typing his own post.

But seriously though, that was one retarded 15 year old. I was wiser when I was eight, but wow.

Sia Bani
Yea, thats about it. If you had enough power, you could really stand on it, over power the front tires, then the trans would be fine. I think.....

ya, but your'e not going to get that far if you're a decent driver/somewhat sane.

If you're a good driver, you'll only throw out the rear enough to take the turn as a powerslide.

If you're sane, you wouldn't have the balls to drive fast enough to do a 180!

(on dry regular roads)

RedLine
I think he tried to make a good first thread, with a very vauge idea of what he was talking about, then got really pissed when people told him he wasnt quite right.

Run Away
But you have to use the e-brake, since this is obviously exactly what its supposed to be used for and is the only way to flick the back end of as FWD out. . :p
You can flick it out if the car has neutral handling, or if you're going really fast...
:devil:

You have to be on the ebrake for lond to make a flat spot. But never mind, my first car will be RWD, so I have no worries. :cool:

RedLine
ya, but your'e not going to get that far if you're a decent driver/somewhat sane.

If you're a good driver, you'll only throw out the rear enough to take the turn as a powerslide.

If you're sane, you wouldn't have the balls to drive fast enough to do a 180!

(on dry regular roads)

With a FWD anyway. RWD is different

Sia Bani
I think he tried to make a good first thread, with a very vauge idea of what he was talking about, then got really pissed when people told him he wasnt quite right.

Exactly. We all tried to be nice...but he really was preaching, and then shouting at us...then giving us specific movie exmaples etc. It got annoying...quick.

Sia Bani
With a FWD anyway. RWD is different

No, I'm talking any wd. AWD, RWD, FWD.

I'm only talking about a momentum driven powerslide. I've done it with the s4 on a very dry road....

basically there's no accelerator involved after you throw the rear.

Run Away
Although the kid was an idiot, you guys...we have to be understanding that he's only 15 and loses track of what he's saying before he even finishes typing his own post.

But seriously though, that was one retarded 15 year old. I was wiser when I was eight, but wow.
Hehe.... :D
His age is no excuse, I turned 16 in Nov....

Sia Bani
Hehe.... :D
His age is no excuse, I turned 16 in Nov....

ya, half way through my post I realized he was an exception...

RedLine
good point by redline but does this mean I typically know what Im talking about?
I mean the steering methods and reving methods??
especially with the 360's cuz they're harder than 180's,
and I would like someone to explain reverse 180's and 360's.
Im open to be learnthed

I think that this is just funny. I still cant figure out WTF he was asking :eek:

Sia Bani
The problem was that he came on here with a closed-mind, with many misconceptions his daddy taught him, and with the intent on preaching to people who actually know and have experience.

RedLine
No, I'm talking any wd. AWD, RWD, FWD.

I'm only talking about a momentum driven powerslide. I've done it with the s4 on a very dry road....

basically there's no accelerator involved after you throw the rear.

Personally, I have no clue how that would happen. i've always had an overpowered V8 muscle car (untill now, might change soon though) so I really dunno. Care to explain?

Sia Bani
Personally, I have no clue how that would happen. i've always had an overpowered V8 muscle car (untill now, might change soon though) so I really dunno. Care to explain?

You turn the wheel hard enough to lose traction of the tires. Quite simple.

Takes balls though, and takes knowledge of your car.

Scary shit on the Tahoe. Learned how on that in the rain, on stock tires.

Run Away
You turn the wheel hard enough to lose traction of the tires. Quite simple.

Takes balls though, and takes knowledge of your car.

Scary shit on the Tahoe. Learned how on that in the rain, on stock tires.
Practice in an empty parking lot. I wouldn't do it in my parent's van, I'm afraid to roll it, but when I get my pickup, I'll do it.

Bullet
OK one last post
if u didnt read the name of the post when u clicked it, It said E-BRAKE, not spinning the rear tires and swinging the back end around.
but whatever anyone can post what ever they want!

Sia Bani
OK one last post
if u didnt read the name of the post when u clicked it, It said E-BRAKE, not spinning the rear tires and swinging the back end around.
but whatever anyone can post what ever they want!

E-brake is not needed if you know how to control your car. The powerslides require less initial momentum while using the ebrake, (easier on your nerves), but it's not needed.

RedLine
You turn the wheel hard enough to lose traction of the tires. Quite simple.

Takes balls though, and takes knowledge of your car.

Scary shit on the Tahoe. Learned how on that in the rain, on stock tires.

Hun.... Its supposed to rain tonight.... gonna have to try that.

FabUlous
its little morons like him who give the young guys like me and lex a bad name. jeebus you guys try to help him and he whines, does he even have his license yet? :curse: :banghead:

heres a question though, does tire and wheel size matter when powerslides (sans E brake :rolleyes: ) are attempted, i have always been nervous to do it on the scort cuz it is one small ass car with like rediculously small wheels

Sia Bani
heres a question though, does tire and wheel size matter when powerslides (sans E brake :rolleyes: ) are attempted, i have always been nervous to do it on the scort cuz it is one small ass car with like rediculously small wheels
Yup, definitely!

A lot of people fail to understand that "friction" is always the same regardless of tire size, but 'traction' is where it differs.

The skinnier the tire, the less traction (on regular roads, not talking about snow, different idea there).

FabUlous
Yup, definitely!

A lot of people fail to understand that "friction" is always the same regardless of tire size, but 'traction' is where it differs.

The skinnier the tire, the less traction (on regular roads, not talking about snow, different idea there).

yah i figured my narrow ass tires would hurt me in that area.........thank god we get snow like crazy here. i was drivin home and my whole block is unplowed, and because of it being packed down so hard i didnt need any brake, i just turned hard and powerslid into my street. :naughty: its quite fun for my first year drivin in snow.

since this kid has "left" i think we should hijack this thread and use it for good snow stories involving powerslides, 180s, doughnuts and all :cheers:

Sia Bani
Why not make a new thread with your name on it...would be better that way wouldn't it?

FabUlous
haha i was too lazy........good idea i have been on cloud nine lately cuz i just got into my number one school so im gettin ready to celebrate! :cheers:

anywho ill start a new thread

Sia Bani
Cool, where did you get in!?!

FabUlous
saint anselm college........small lib arts school in manchester NH, theyre givin me a 2500 scholarship for my first two semesters so its a start too besides my financial aid i hope to get :cheers:

ksaile
This thread is hilarious. :D